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| Is my HR Career over | Lynn Yellowley | 10 Jul 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | peter dunn | 12 Jul 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Linda Baines | 13 Jul 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Simona Liverzani | 25 Jul 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Linda Pope | 12 Jul 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Diane Handley | 13 Jul 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Sandra Beale | 8 Aug 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Helena MacKinnon | 8 Aug 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | IG | 6 Oct 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Elly | 29 Nov 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | LFF | 9 Oct 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Nina Merchant | 29 Nov 06 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Jonathan | 4 Jan 07 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | only me | 16 Apr 07 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Mike Morrison | 16 Apr 07 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Stephen HRM | 16 Apr 07 |
| Re: Is my HR Career over | Duncan | 26 Apr 07 |
| Is my HR Career over | Lynn Yellowley | 10/07/2006 11:08 | |
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I will be redundant by the end of July 2006. I have had over 20 years experience in HR and three years ago took the ambitious root of widening my career and carrying out a General Managemet role whilst retaining the HR senior position within a manufacturing site. I am FCIPD qualified and consider myself to be a Commercially focused Senior HR professional but I cannot seem to secure a new Senior HR position. Working with the mass of recruitment agencies out there has been dissapointing, I have experienced jobs are advertised that are not actually contracted to that specific agency, I apply and receive no response at all, I am told that I am too experienced, not experienced enough and that progressing into a General Management role has made me less marketable as an HR person as I am viewed as been away from a HR profession for too long. Really tried to move into the Public Sector but recent experience of this tells ne that this is just not going to happen Has or is anyone experiencing similar problems to me, having been searching for nearly five months I am beginning to think that this is the end of ny HR career. |
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| + Re: Is my HR Career over | peter dunn | 12/07/2006 14:21 | |
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Lynn, you are certainly not alone. I have over 20 years L&D and general HR experience and I've still to secure a permanent position 2 years after being made redundant. My experience is that: networking is probably your best bet, taking short contracts is a way back in. Agencies - don't get me started - forget most of them - they're a waste of time and emotional energy and you're just their next commission. Build a relationship with a few. Finally, I was given moral support and practical advice recently by an HR Director who had been made redundant and it had taken her 9 months to find her new position. Good luck. Peter |
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| ++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Linda Baines | 13/07/2006 10:02 | |
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Hi Lynn I'm just confirming comments already made. I too was made redundant recently and obviously timing in securing a new position is also important when you have a financial package to consider. I agree that building a relationship with a good "HR agency" is important as we all know that in the main agencies are primarily run by sales people who are only interested in filling a vacancy and don't really care who gets it as long as it is one of his/her candidates. Unfortunately I am in the twilight years of my career and have found ageism rife. Also, I have been sent - - I suspect - to make up the numbers by the companies concerned, for positions that were intended to be filled by internal candidates. So, I decided to also apply for lower paid positions, thinking they might welcome an oldie with years of experience, only to be told I was over qualified and would quickly get bored. However, I am the eternal optimist, so Lynn - it is a hard slog, but keep at it and you will succeed. I know it is difficult to keep positive when you are up against what appears to be a massive brick wall but you can do it! Good Luck! Linda |
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| +++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Simona Liverzani | 25/07/2006 13:06 | |
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Dear Lynn I am not as experience as you, as I only have 6 years experience in a HR generalist role, but I am CIPD qualified and since last year I am a chartered member (MCIPD). My company relocated in April, and as I was not prepare to commute for almost 2 hours each way, I decided to start looking for a new position, and I have been applying for jobs since January. I am experiencing the same problems: either I am underqualified (as the hiring company has a larger workforce than the company I have gained my experience with), or I am overqualified. I have also tried to look for jobs that would pay a little less, but this has not worked. It is a very competitive market out there, and I agree with Linda, it is not easy, but "keep at it and you will succeed". Best of Luck Simona |
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| ++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Linda Pope | 12/07/2006 17:31 | |
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Hi Lynn, I hate to say this but I have had a very similar experience to yours. I have 20 years experience in learning and development and I have been looking for a new role since December without any luck. I have had a number of interviews and like you I am either too experienced or not experienced enough in a particular market sector or L&D specialism. I have secured some freelance work but this is not what I really want to do. I am now considering re-training and starting over in a new career at age 50! Who'd have thought. :-) I wish I could offer you some practical advice. You may find that your business management skills will stand you in good stead for interim management roles. I wish you lots of luck in your search Best Wishes Linda |
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| +++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Diane Handley | 13/07/2006 09:33 | |
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Hello Lynn Have been in a similar situation to yourself & I would agree it is not easy, however would support previous comments to form a close relationship with a handful of recommended agencies & then call your contact weekly for any updates. Whilst I found myself feeling deflated when I wasn't getting anywhere (trudging through treacle comes to mind) I kept reminding myself of all the skills I could offer & kept selling & promoting these to agencies and network colleagues. Perseverance paid. You have a superb amount of experience & skill to offer - keep pushing it - it will pay off All the best Diane Handley |
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| ++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Sandra Beale | 08/08/2006 08:07 | |
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This story is very familiar and you may like to consider going freelance; so many of my HR colleagues are considering doing so and I have a huge network of HR professionals who have already done so. You need to network as much as possible and in particular with HR professionals then gradually the work will come in. If you have a redundancy package you can use this to live on whilst you set yourself up. If you would like more advice email me on info@sjbealehrconsult.co.uk. Sandra Beale FCIPD. |
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| +++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Helena MacKinnon | 08/08/2006 14:36 | |
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Like everyone else, I am in my early 50s and looking for a new post within HR. Yes, ageism is rife and yes I'm invited to interview to make up numbers. I have not put my age on my CV and started it only when I got my first role in HR 20 years ago, but of course get "sussed". One wonders how one can both be over and under qualified. I will keep on trying and may well have to fall back on my secretarial;/PA skills, but sadly, my financial position is such that I need to earn the equivalent salary. However, one very funny "reason" for not employing was that currently I wasn't on a very high salary. Bunkum! |
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| ++++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | IG | 06/10/2006 17:30 | |
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Too experienced, not expereinced enough, too old, too out of date etc etc etc...come on now, you've all been in the personnel game long enough to know these are excuses. I'd like to know what the real reasons are...if you're getting the brush off keep going back and asking for the specific detail of the cause for your failure to get appointed...I suspect you're not being told the truth...insist on the truth, make those decision makers feel the pain for not recognising what they're missing out on. (If they just want a bit of fluff that looks nice and doesn't threaten them, I think you should know...and you can show them how their poor recruitment decisions will have a detrimental effect on the bottom line for that organisation etc etc...) |
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| +++++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Elly | 29/11/2006 15:32 | |
| Not always that easy to get feedback, especially if you go through recruitment agencies who to be honest in recent months I have found to be appalling. Most recently one agency who actually admitted to me that the client said he didn't think a woman would manage a long commute (11/2 hours). Laughable really. | |||
| ++++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | LFF | 09/10/2006 12:51 | |
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After being made redundant I was hoping to find another permanent role, however, after failing to find the right opportunity I took a short term contract. I am now in the middle of my fourth consecutive contract and have had two offers of permanent employment. I decided not to accept because, having worked within the organisations decided they weren't quite right for me. But, without having been in the company on contract I probably wouldn't have been considered in the first place. It's worth considering contract work, you can pick up really valuable and up to date experience that will make you more marketable. I think that some people can be quite lazy when it comes to recruiting, for all my contracts I had brief (approx 1 hour) meetings with the prospective companies before being taken on, the advantage being that I haven't had to endure the 'pain' of a fully blown interview. It's worth considering and my other tip - keep in touch with the agencies - call them weekly, don't wait for them to call you. Keep your name fresh in their mind. |
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| +++++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Nina Merchant | 29/11/2006 15:16 | |
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Lynn, This may sound awful, but having read yours and others comments, I feel, thank god, at least it's not only me. I, too was made 'redundant ' in July this year and have made over 150 applications since late August. I have 20 years as an L&D specialist with several years of OD and Change Mngt experience gained internationally. 95% of the time, these applications disappear into a dark hole, particularly in the public sector -never a response, except the automatic ones. Agencies tell me that clients look for sector experience and perhaps this is the case. I, for one am not prepared to give up and I hope you will not either. There is something out there for you and I and all the others. So, beleive in yourself. The sad thing is also what does it say about HR recruitment practices, age legislation or not? Best of luck, NM |
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| ++++++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Jonathan | 04/01/2007 20:22 | JGallie@ hotmail com |
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I have read all the comments and cannot believe these situations exist at the senior level of HR management.
I graduated in 2005 and have 18 months HR and recruitment expereince yet cant find anything suitable. Agencies are a waste of time - they dont provide feedback, dont provide job specs and never get back to you - it is not consultancy it is sales and this shows in their method of working. Unfortunatly direct recruitment is becoming less common so it seems agencies cannot be avoided any more!!
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| ++++++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | only me | 16/04/2007 11:54 | |
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I think you'll find that your HR career was over the day you changed everyones contract of employment without consultation, a member of you dept embezzled the company our of 100,000's as well as when you stabbed your superiors in the back before assuming their position as General Manager. |
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| +++++++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Mike Morrison | 16/04/2007 15:27 | |
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Hi All Unfortunatly much of the behaviour experienced has been seeded by our own profession! The way we recruit agencies, how we pay/ renumerate them etc. One 'trick' I used once was for a Radio design engineer being made redundant from an electronice firm. He was 5 years away from retirement but wanted a job. Any Job. After not achieving any interviews and the feedback was he was 'too experienced' he descided we would work in a local supermarket - he was not sucessful there either - till we rewrote his CV, making him look like a shop floor worker. He got 3 interviews and a job he was happy with within 10 days... So, write 2 CV's one more junior, and your 'high level' one. If you suspect the recruiter is looking for a less experienced person (read lower salary) then use one CV for other posts use the second! Good Luck to all |
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| ++++++++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Stephen HRM | 16/04/2007 15:37 | |
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Sorry Guys, I have to say "only me" whoever placed that is just being petty........................... |
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| +++++++++++ Re: Is my HR Career over | Duncan | 26/04/2007 10:33 | |
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Ok ,so we have all had a moan about how poor recruitment agencies are and how some HR teams are not professional in the way that they recruit and appear to be happy breaking any law on the gorunds that HR is a small community and no one will dare put their head above the parapet.The one thing that is certain is that if you just keep doing the same thing, you will get the same result ie frustration. So having said that does anyone have any good stratergies for dealing with these agencies who are not forthcomming or the employers who do not see the link to candidates as consumers? Come on what do people think - positivley ? |
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