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| Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Sarah Bryan | 28 Nov 06 |
| Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Steve Dewar | 28 Nov 06 |
| Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | David | 1 Dec 06 |
| Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Sarah Bryan | 5 Dec 06 |
| Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Sarah Bryan | 5 Dec 06 |
| Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Steve Dewar | 8 Dec 06 |
| Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Caroline | 21 Dec 06 |
| Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Peter | 4 Jan 07 |
| Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Sarah Bryan | 28/11/2006 14:45 | |
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We are rapidly finding ourselves with problems where, on several of our sites, partners/families work together. Meaning that when one member of the family is disgruntled/unhappy/under disciplinary/doesn't get the job they applied for/etc, we have problems with the other/s. Or, we find ourselves worrying about losing two members of staff or more. Does anyone have a policy on such situations? And if so, would they be prepared to either a) offer some advice on how to structure or b) allow us to view their policy? Please! Also, if we were to introduce a policy of not employing partners/families/etc, would that not betray equal opps?
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| + Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Steve Dewar | 28/11/2006 16:12 | |
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This policy relates to the following people: Individuals who live together, share property, rent, mortgage or other similar financial commitments or where those individuals are married or are in what is known as a common law relationship (“Partners”), or are close blood relatives (siblings, parents, grandparents or children) (“Relatives”) Individuals are engaged and promoted according to their suitability for the job. However in order to minimise possible workplace disruption, to ensure conflicts of interest are avoided, confidentiality is preserved and these aims are seen to be upheld any decision regarding the employment of a Partner or Relative will take account of the following - (a) No-one may directly manage or supervise their Partner or Relative. (b) Partners and Relatives will not be recruited, internally or externally, to work in a department where their Partner or Relative is already employed. (c) Partners or Relatives of Heads of Department or of managers or directors are not eligible to be recruited. Exceptions to this policy must be in writing and signed by the group managing director. |
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| ++ Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | David | 01/12/2006 18:46 | |
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Discrimination legislation renders it unlawful to discriminate on grounds of marital status in the terms on which employment is offered. Basically, employment cannot be refused on the grounds that someone is married, irrespective of whom they are married to. Any policies that reflect this are unlawful and risk tribunal http://www1.icaew.co.uk/membershandbook/index.cfm?AUB=TB2I_30317%7CMNXI_30317&tb5=1&CFID=97&CFTOKEN=21938561 |
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| +++ Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Sarah Bryan | 05/12/2006 11:42 | |
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David, thank you for the reply. I am aware of the discrimination legislation regarding an applicant's marital status. However, as Steve mentioned in the reply above, the counter argument could then be that such a policy could exist to ensure that an employee is not treated more favourably because of who they are related/married etc to. Our main issue at present is one of relatives line managing each other (I know, I know... not a great situation to be in but historically through the old company it happened and we are now dealing with the aftermath). Therefore in order to prevent this happening in future, we need to implement some form of policy stating that family members may not be line managed by each other and therefore preventing such applications for employment. I probably didn't explain it very well to start with but was trying not to post a rambling message! Any other suggestions/possibilities gratefully accepted! |
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| ++ Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Sarah Bryan | 05/12/2006 11:31 | |
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Thanks for the reply Steve and the content of your policy - much appreciated. I'd be interested to know if you have had any instances of families working together and if/what issues you may have encountered? |
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| +++ Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Steve Dewar | 08/12/2006 17:38 | |
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Hello again Sarah While we have people working in the company who are related (including married/co-habiting) we currently do not have anyone line managing a partner or relative. I would say it has been luck rather than the policy that has been intrumental in this. However, having the policy in place will no doubt guide us if it ever arises. As for any problems or issues arising from families working together, none that I am aware of but of course it depends very much on how their manager manages them in relation to others. Bear in mind that some couples will have 'met' in the work place itself. If it's managed well then it has to be positive - I guess a company can't get more family-friendly than that. From knowledge of other companies, problems can really arise if the 'relationship' involves staff at a much higher level and authority/responsibility is abused. Hope this helps. Steve |
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| +++ Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Caroline | 21/12/2006 08:47 | |
| Unfortunately by trying to introduce a policy that family members may not be line managed by each other you are leaving yourself open to a sexual discrimination case at tribunal. It can be seen that if the manager is male, then the female would be discriminated against if she is not allowed to be promoted within that department or cannot apply for jobs within that department....Also what happens if a 'couple' who are at the same level in the same department start up a relationship (as does happen often due to the majority of couples meeting at work) - does that mean that neither of them can then be promoted in that department, or one of them has to move department, possibly to a less favourable job as a result of it. (from past experience it is usually the female that has to move). I understand that you are trying to reduce the risk of married couples being able to influence payrises, promotions etc of each other, but feel that this is better left to good management practices than policies that can leave you open to tribunal cases. | |||
| ++++ Re: Families/Partners vs equal opportunities | Peter | 04/01/2007 09:30 | peterstanway@ lineone net |
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Sarah i fear that caroline and david's comments are flawed of course there is a risk of sex/marital discrimination claims but the reason that most companies who have explicit policies do so is threefold the risk of fraud/abuse the impact on morale the possibility which is particularly strong in america of discrimination claims from the junior partner (mainly) if/ when the relationship goes wrong. The claim is simple he/she abused their position of power to get me to do xxxxxxxxxx and or is now abusing their power because of Y and they would not be doing it but for my sex (our sex) |
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