Personnel Today
  • Home
    • All PT content
  • Email sign-up
  • Topics
    • HR Practice
    • Employee relations
    • Learning & training
    • Pay & benefits
    • Wellbeing
    • Recruitment & retention
    • HR strategy
    • HR Tech
    • The HR profession
    • Global
    • All HR topics
  • Legal
    • Case law
    • Commentary
    • Flexible working
    • Legal timetable
    • Maternity & paternity
    • Shared parental leave
    • Redundancy
    • TUPE
    • Disciplinary and grievances
    • Employer’s guides
  • AWARDS
    • Personnel Today Awards
    • The RAD Awards
  • Jobs
    • Find a job
    • Jobs by email
    • Careers advice
    • Post a job
  • Brightmine
    • Learn more
    • Products
    • Free trial
    • Request a quote
  • Webinars
  • Advertise
  • OHW+

Personnel Today

Register
Log in
Personnel Today
  • Home
    • All PT content
  • Email sign-up
  • Topics
    • HR Practice
    • Employee relations
    • Learning & training
    • Pay & benefits
    • Wellbeing
    • Recruitment & retention
    • HR strategy
    • HR Tech
    • The HR profession
    • Global
    • All HR topics
  • Legal
    • Case law
    • Commentary
    • Flexible working
    • Legal timetable
    • Maternity & paternity
    • Shared parental leave
    • Redundancy
    • TUPE
    • Disciplinary and grievances
    • Employer’s guides
  • AWARDS
    • Personnel Today Awards
    • The RAD Awards
  • Jobs
    • Find a job
    • Jobs by email
    • Careers advice
    • Post a job
  • Brightmine
    • Learn more
    • Products
    • Free trial
    • Request a quote
  • Webinars
  • Advertise
  • OHW+

Personnel Today

Letters

by Personnel Today 30 May 2001
by Personnel Today 30 May 2001

This week’s letters

Letter of the week
More to us than tea and toilet

I think one of the major reasons why the HR profession is not regarded as a
serious partner in business is because, in many instances, failed managers from
other disciplines have been moved into the sector as a way of getting them out
of the way – they cannot be regarded as HR professionals (News, 15 May).

This occurs because it may be felt by senior executives that to move a
problem manager into HR, will help protect the business because "not too
much harm can be done by them in HR". This in turn has had a really
negative impact on HR as "tea and toilet" issues then become the
focus.

I feel HR qualifications and experience are necessary to be truly effective
and to be able to add value to the organisation. The two are interdependent as
the theory provides the framework within which to respond, while the experience
gained on the job dealing with situations (industrial relations, wage
negotiations, consultation on company closures, for example), all constitute
learning that separates the outstanding practitioner from the ordinary.

HR professionals need to move away from an administrative support focus to
one where they understand the business they are in, in order to provide
proactive strategic support and add value to the business.

With regard to qualifications, I find it very limiting and frustrating that
so many advertised HR jobs will consider only CIPD-qualified applicants. Coming
from another country, I have reputable HR degree qualifications – up to Masters
level – as well as having been fortunate to be in environments where I gained
good exposure and experience to support them. As I am not CIPD qualified I
cannot progress beyond the starting block.

Sue Watt-Pringle
Group HR coordinator, Portico Housing Group

Two more for the top 40 power list

I enjoyed Top 40 Power Players (Feature, 1 May) and I hope that few readers,
if any, will be churlish enough to try to remove anyone from the list – after
all, we live in an inclusive century.

It is of interest to debate if HR has power or influence, and the list threw
up some names I had not come across, as is often the case with influence.

However, one name I would add would be Craig Conway, who is the president
and CEO of Peoplesoft. The recent release of version 8 and readiness to become
Web-enabled is what makes any prospect of successful outsourcing or progress by
the likes of Exult possible.

In addition, Conway turned in a pretty successful financial result in a very
turbulent year – that’s real recognition of success and, in my view, power.

Secondly, while he keeps himself to himself, Jim McKenna at Logica certainly
has set a real standard for HR and for his business, and he is rightly at the
real top – he can exert power like few other HR professionals.

Robert Bolton
Vice-president HR, DACG

Life’s too short to agonise over job

Work to Live?  Surely it can’t be
that difficult to decide not to open an e-mail (News, 15 May,
"E-revolution is extending work hours"). I know that lots of people
would then complain about the volume of work, in which case you are either in
the wrong job or you have got the wrong manager.

My advice would be to change your job. I am not saying that people should
not work hard, but they should also work smart. Let’s get some perspective –
life is too short.

Nick Flint
Personnel assistant, University of Sussex

There’s no need to give your age

I agree with some of the points made by Vic Bohanna in his letter (15 May),
but I would like to say that often in small companies it is not only the
personnel departments that sift through applications. I am often amazed at how
many managers ask for an applicant’s date of birth. It is the duty of a
personnel officer to point out to colleagues who may want to know the age of an
applicant that this is totally irrelevant.

Sign up to our weekly round-up of HR news and guidance

Receive the Personnel Today Direct e-newsletter every Wednesday

OptOut
This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

I teach on a range of courses and work in HR, and when it comes to writing
CVs, I strongly advise students not to include a date of birth. The more people
do so, the less employers will be able to use such an irrelevant piece of fact
as a criteria on which to interview and appoint.

Sandhya Sharma
HR manager, Harro

Personnel Today

Personnel Today articles are written by an expert team of award-winning journalists who have been covering HR and L&D for many years. Some of our content is attributed to "Personnel Today" for a number of reasons, including: when numerous authors are associated with writing or editing a piece; or when the author is unknown (particularly for older articles).

previous post
Labour’s new business manifesto pledges more support
next post
New directory to help recruit hospitality staff

You may also like

Forward features list 2025 – submitting content to...

23 Nov 2024

Features list 2021 – submitting content to Personnel...

1 Sep 2020

Large firms have no plans to bring all...

26 Aug 2020

A typical work-from-home lunch: crisps

24 Aug 2020

Occupational health on the coronavirus frontline – ‘I...

21 Aug 2020

Occupational Health & Wellbeing research round-up: August 2020

7 Aug 2020

Acas: Redundancy related enquiries surge 160%

5 Aug 2020

Coronavirus: lockdown ‘phase two’ may bring added headaches...

17 Jul 2020

Unemployment to top 4 million as workers come...

15 Jul 2020

Over 1,000 UK redundancies expected at G4S Cash...

14 Jul 2020

  • 2025 Employee Communications Report PROMOTED | HR and leadership...Read more
  • The Majority of Employees Have Their Eyes on Their Next Move PROMOTED | A staggering 65%...Read more
  • Prioritising performance management: Strategies for success (webinar) WEBINAR | In today’s fast-paced...Read more
  • Self-Leadership: The Key to Successful Organisations PROMOTED | Eletive is helping businesses...Read more
  • Retaining Female Talent: Four Ways to Reduce Workplace Drop Out PROMOTED | International Women’s Day...Read more

Personnel Today Jobs
 

Search Jobs

PERSONNEL TODAY

About us
Contact us
Browse all HR topics
Email newsletters
Content feeds
Cookies policy
Privacy policy
Terms and conditions

JOBS

Personnel Today Jobs
Post a job
Why advertise with us?

EVENTS & PRODUCTS

The Personnel Today Awards
The RAD Awards
Employee Benefits
Forum for Expatriate Management
OHW+
Whatmedia

ADVERTISING & PR

Advertising opportunities
Features list 2025

  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • Instagram
  • Linkedin


© 2011 - 2025 DVV Media International Ltd

Personnel Today
  • Home
    • All PT content
  • Email sign-up
  • Topics
    • HR Practice
    • Employee relations
    • Learning & training
    • Pay & benefits
    • Wellbeing
    • Recruitment & retention
    • HR strategy
    • HR Tech
    • The HR profession
    • Global
    • All HR topics
  • Legal
    • Case law
    • Commentary
    • Flexible working
    • Legal timetable
    • Maternity & paternity
    • Shared parental leave
    • Redundancy
    • TUPE
    • Disciplinary and grievances
    • Employer’s guides
  • AWARDS
    • Personnel Today Awards
    • The RAD Awards
  • Jobs
    • Find a job
    • Jobs by email
    • Careers advice
    • Post a job
  • Brightmine
    • Learn more
    • Products
    • Free trial
    • Request a quote
  • Webinars
  • Advertise
  • OHW+