Unions are the HR professional's natural enemy, right? Especially when they are all over the media vociferously criticising the HR practice of firms such as Gate Gourmet.
Not so, says Ray Fletcher, the new HR director at the Transport and General Workers' Union (T&G), the airline caterer's bte noire in recent weeks.
Fletcher, who had "no reservations" about taking on the newly created role, certainly doesn't think of it as a case of gamekeeper turned poacher.
"I've had this posed to me a lot, but I don't see it like that at all," he told Personnel Today. "Obviously, different decisions are made by the employer and the unions, but both sides should have the objective of making a business successful."
Fletcher joined the union in June after nine years as executive director of HR at Remploy - the government-funded organisation that finds jobs for disabled people. He had actually retired when the opportunity at the T&G arose.
So what prompted him to swap days on the golf course for days in the union's head office in Holborn, London?
"It is an intriguing role and one where I think I can make a difference," he said. "My view is that trade unions are good for business and can play a positive role if you work with them.
"I've always worked on that basis and I anticipate I will use exactly the same philosophy here as I did in my previous roles."
That experience includes more than 30 years in the automotive and ceramics industries - heavily unionised environments where Fletcher was involved in a huge amount of change.
And he is absolutely clear about what makes change succeed - good industrial relations.
"Employee involvement is absolutely essential [to achieve this]. If you can get employees involved in how things are done - from a strategic level right down to operations - you will make a difference to the organisation," he said.
Part of the T&G's long-term plan is to grow membership, increase services to members and add to its 850-strong employees. To that end, Fletcher has a direct reporting line to the general secretary, Tony Woodley, and is part of the management team.
Fletcher said the people issues for a union were the same as any other organisation. "Communication, involvement, making policies professional and getting things into shape," he said.
There is also the major HR challenge that will come with the merger of the T&G, Amicus and GMB unions, creating a ne